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2011-03-07, 03:57:21
Matt
With a lot of thought before hand, if I should reply,(I don't want to get into a p***ing match with you) I decide what the h***
First let me address you saying I am new here, well that may be true I have only downloaded and used GS for a short time and I don't post much in the forum unless I think I can help someone else that can benefit from my little bit of knowledge. ( I am not a coder by any stretch of the imagination) But what does my length of time being here have to do with anything? I been here reading posts on the forum for close to a year trying to learn about GS way before I downloaded GS. If time being here has to do with anything then you should not have posted your original message, to someone that has been here since the beginning.
And please spare me the making assumptions on everybody line. I didn't make assumptions on everyone at GS. The use of the line everyone and we is just a way to make it look as if it is more than you with your opinion and you started off with a lot of I's so stick with that instead of making it sound like you speak for everyone at GS.
Now for defending Chris, I wasn't aware I was doing that (not directly anyway) like I said I have used several CMS over the last 5 years and have seen the same thing happen in most of them. Someone always comes in thinking they can do something better and cause a lot of division in the community then treating to Fork the CMS (which has happen here recently and I thought Chris handled that great by just wishing him luck after he said his peace.)
You say I took cheap shots at your/ your company themes without being specific. I did that on purpose since I didn't know if you worked or owned the company that made the themes. That way it was just my opinion and as the old saying goes "opinions are like a**holes everyone has one".
You asked if I have bought one of your themes the answer is no, I did look at your free one and also I did a markup search of your home site you sell from and your home site has 61 errors and 2 warning on it.(Not to impressive since your trying to sell themes from it) The free one was way to bloated for my taste and didn't test much better than your home site.
I have downloaded several themes from Free CSS that you knocked as bad (and you gave no reason for your opinion about Free CSS like you said I did about yours) and all of them had less that 10 errors and no warnings.
Now to be fair I did a markup search of GS since Chris has been working on it and he is showing 30 errors but most of them are changes he has made to the theme recently it looks like and he is still making changes as he finds them.
Now these statements are still my opinions for what they are worth, I just hope I don't get booted from the forum for stating my opinions.
See below the results of both sites.
Your Site
Result: 61 Errors, 2 warning(s)
Address:
Encoding: utf-8 (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 (Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 (Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u (Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 (Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: HTML5 (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 15445:2000 ("ISO HTML") XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 1.1 Basic SMIL 1.0 SMIL 2.0
Root Element: html
Get Simple with new Changes
Result: 30 Errors, 4 warning(s)
Address:
Encoding: utf-8 (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 (Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 (Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u (Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 (Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Strict (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 15445:2000 ("ISO HTML") XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 1.1 Basic SMIL 1.0 SMIL 2.0
Root Element: html
Root Namespace: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
A Theme I am working on that I downloaded from Free CSS
Result: 5 Errors
Address:
Encoding: utf-8 (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 (Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 (Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u (Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 (Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Strict (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 15445:2000 ("ISO HTML") XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 1.1 Basic SMIL 1.0 SMIL 2.0
Root Element: html
Root Namespace: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
With a lot of thought before hand, if I should reply,(I don't want to get into a p***ing match with you) I decide what the h***
First let me address you saying I am new here, well that may be true I have only downloaded and used GS for a short time and I don't post much in the forum unless I think I can help someone else that can benefit from my little bit of knowledge. ( I am not a coder by any stretch of the imagination) But what does my length of time being here have to do with anything? I been here reading posts on the forum for close to a year trying to learn about GS way before I downloaded GS. If time being here has to do with anything then you should not have posted your original message, to someone that has been here since the beginning.
And please spare me the making assumptions on everybody line. I didn't make assumptions on everyone at GS. The use of the line everyone and we is just a way to make it look as if it is more than you with your opinion and you started off with a lot of I's so stick with that instead of making it sound like you speak for everyone at GS.
Now for defending Chris, I wasn't aware I was doing that (not directly anyway) like I said I have used several CMS over the last 5 years and have seen the same thing happen in most of them. Someone always comes in thinking they can do something better and cause a lot of division in the community then treating to Fork the CMS (which has happen here recently and I thought Chris handled that great by just wishing him luck after he said his peace.)
You say I took cheap shots at your/ your company themes without being specific. I did that on purpose since I didn't know if you worked or owned the company that made the themes. That way it was just my opinion and as the old saying goes "opinions are like a**holes everyone has one".
You asked if I have bought one of your themes the answer is no, I did look at your free one and also I did a markup search of your home site you sell from and your home site has 61 errors and 2 warning on it.(Not to impressive since your trying to sell themes from it) The free one was way to bloated for my taste and didn't test much better than your home site.
I have downloaded several themes from Free CSS that you knocked as bad (and you gave no reason for your opinion about Free CSS like you said I did about yours) and all of them had less that 10 errors and no warnings.
Now to be fair I did a markup search of GS since Chris has been working on it and he is showing 30 errors but most of them are changes he has made to the theme recently it looks like and he is still making changes as he finds them.
Now these statements are still my opinions for what they are worth, I just hope I don't get booted from the forum for stating my opinions.
See below the results of both sites.
Your Site
Result: 61 Errors, 2 warning(s)
Address:
Encoding: utf-8 (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 (Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 (Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u (Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 (Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: HTML5 (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 15445:2000 ("ISO HTML") XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 1.1 Basic SMIL 1.0 SMIL 2.0
Root Element: html
Get Simple with new Changes
Result: 30 Errors, 4 warning(s)
Address:
Encoding: utf-8 (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 (Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 (Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u (Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 (Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Strict (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 15445:2000 ("ISO HTML") XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 1.1 Basic SMIL 1.0 SMIL 2.0
Root Element: html
Root Namespace: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
A Theme I am working on that I downloaded from Free CSS
Result: 5 Errors
Address:
Encoding: utf-8 (detect automatically) utf-8 (Unicode, worldwide) utf-16 (Unicode, worldwide) iso-8859-1 (Western Europe) iso-8859-2 (Central Europe) iso-8859-3 (Southern Europe) iso-8859-4 (North European) iso-8859-5 (Cyrillic) iso-8859-6-i (Arabic) iso-8859-7 (Greek) iso-8859-8 (Hebrew, visual) iso-8859-8-i (Hebrew, logical) iso-8859-9 (Turkish) iso-8859-10 (Latin 6) iso-8859-11 (Latin/Thai) iso-8859-13 (Latin 7, Baltic Rim) iso-8859-14 (Latin 8, Celtic) iso-8859-15 (Latin 9) iso-8859-16 (Latin 10) us-ascii (basic English) euc-jp (Japanese, Unix) shift_jis (Japanese, Win/Mac) iso-2022-jp (Japanese, email) euc-kr (Korean) gb2312 (Chinese, simplified) gb18030 (Chinese, simplified) big5 (Chinese, traditional) Big5-HKSCS (Chinese, Hong Kong) tis-620 (Thai) koi8-r (Russian) koi8-u (Ukrainian) iso-ir-111 (Cyrillic KOI-8) macintosh (MacRoman) windows-1250 (Central Europe) windows-1251 (Cyrillic) windows-1252 (Western Europe) windows-1253 (Greek) windows-1254 (Turkish) windows-1255 (Hebrew) windows-1256 (Arabic) windows-1257 (Baltic Rim)
Doctype: XHTML 1.0 Strict (detect automatically) HTML5 (experimental) XHTML 1.0 Strict XHTML 1.0 Transitional XHTML 1.0 Frameset HTML 4.01 Strict HTML 4.01 Transitional HTML 4.01 Frameset HTML 3.2 HTML 2.0 ISO/IEC 15445:2000 ("ISO HTML") XHTML 1.1 XHTML + RDFa XHTML Basic 1.0 XHTML Basic 1.1 XHTML Mobile Profile 1.2 XHTML-Print 1.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0 plus SVG 1.1 MathML 2.0 SVG 1.0 SVG 1.1 SVG 1.1 Tiny SVG 1.1 Basic SMIL 1.0 SMIL 2.0
Root Element: html
Root Namespace: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
getsimplethemes Wrote:There is nothing wrong with being critical, that's how we move forward and make improvements. And since GetSimple is an open source product and the entire community is involved in making it better, I don't see anything wrong with discussing these matters on the public forums.
Very cheap shots you're taking here at our themes... doesn't help the point you're trying to make. Did you actually purchase one of our themes? If you find something could be better with our themes, then be specific and point out actual flaws... Just claiming they're not good is rather lame.
And since you're new here, pls stop making assumptions about everybody else... You have no idea what we're doing and have done for GetSimple. There is also no point in defending Chris' efforts, nobody is questioning his dedication and efforts in building this great CMS, we're not attacking Chris here so no need to come to his aid...
- Matt
