GetSimple 3.0Beta in need of Testers #3... Final Call!

[yojoe]

I guess that would be a pretty neat UI thing, but it is working fine now as-is.

It's simple as using this cms
install.php line 236

Code:

<select name="lang" id="lang" class="text" onchange="window.location='install.php?lang=' + this.value;">

Works flawlessly.

yeah, Joshas removed them when he upgraded CKEditor for us. I guess we could add a few major ones back into the SVN. I always felt like it was a crapshoot anyway to try and choose the languages that the CKEditor users *might* need.

Actually languages are basic limitation of software for users which do not operate in other languages than their native one. English is like 4th of 5th language when it goes to overall people using it at at least basic level.

I'd go with international version of english, and spanish. And european languages: french, italian, german, polish, russian, who are used pretty often. Maybe chineese if there is such translation, as I have seen once an oriental website standing on GS. There are as well Swedes, and couple balcan users who use GS ...
I'd even approach to this matter from other side: why ckeditor's language isn't being set automatically according to chosen GS language file ? Having this on mind ckeditor's package should contain languages into which GS has been translated already.

I came up lately with bunch of really small things which could be improved. Mostly when it goes to usability things. But it's always a matter of those small, unnoticed things being done automatically. And when they're gone, the world won't look the same

Same thing with the main language files... not sure which ones would have a huge impact. Even a big CMS like Wordpress doesn't include any alt language files with it's install package i think.

I say it this way: if a webapplication would have to work similarly to wordpress, then why not use wordpress instead ?

edit: one more thing
it goes to settings tab: when there's only 1 language file in /admin/lang, the dropdown list with languages shouldn't be shown

[mvlcek]

I just documented a Feature Request to simplify handling the languages: http://get-simple.info/forum/topic/1554/...age-files/

[ccagle8]

@mvlcek - nice idea, but that definitely won't happen for the 3.0 release. We will keep that in mind.

[Joshas]

@yojoe, I think it would be better to keep GetSimple core as small as possible and let user decide, what additional features he might need (in this case - CKEditor languages). It's much more easier to add some stuff than hunt down for bloat later. And if translators will include CKEditor translation files with GetSimple translations - that will keep whole CMS size at minimum.
I proposed including CKEditor language codes in GetSimple translation files, but setting somehow ended up in gsconfig.php.

[ccagle8]

I proposed including CKEditor language codes in GetSimple translation files, but setting somehow ended up in gsconfig.php.

I think I had already added it to gsconfig before you came along and suggested putting it in the translation file. Someone also suggested that we set it based on the language file name: en_US or de_DE, etc., but that was too much of guess-work for me.

[mikeh]

'Browse Server' does not work for me. Returns an error page. This was on build 377, I have not tried it on the newer builds.

Browser: Chrome, Firefox, IE

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Also, I have noticed that several buttons in the admin panel are not formatted correctly. It's such a minor bug I was not going to mention it, but I thought you might want to know. I suspect IE9 will be widely adopted among IE users. Microsoft is really pushing it.

Heres a screenshot:

[yojoe]

@yojoe, I think it would be better to keep GetSimple core as small as possible and let user decide, what additional features he might need (in this case - CKEditor languages). It's much more easier to add some stuff than hunt down for bloat later. And if translators will include CKEditor translation files with GetSimple translations - that will keep whole CMS size at minimum.

Joshas: from one hand I agree with you, but from the second: simple cms right out of the box also for non-technicians, or there still has to be someone who will deploy it.
Don't think only about yourself and what you can do with a piece of software. Look how many people are asking for simple things. Simple for you, simple for me, but not that simple for them.
Is it getsimple cms or not_that_simple_as_supposed_to_be cms ?
In r323 all packed language files have even smaller size than ckeditor.js.
And I didn't ask for all possible language files, as in latest ckeditor are 4 (or more?) spanish language files, 5 (or more?) english and so on. Where's the sense of translating GS backend interface if I will still get english captions trying to find out what sort of button I'm trying to click ?

I always ask myself: where's the sense of hiding a functionality for non technicians, when it should work automatically ?

I proposed including CKEditor language codes in GetSimple translation files, but setting somehow ended up in gsconfig.php

That's something I've missed :/


mikeh: until IE9 won't be spread in windows update I'm fully against messing with the backend theme.
Beta versions of apps aren't supposed to be used by end user.
Anyway, simple thing: a small IE hack for "logout" button, to make it almost twice that long with centered text, and voilla

[Joshas]

Don't think only about yourself and what you can do with a piece of software. Look how many people are asking for simple things.

Sorry, I might be a bit selfish at times . We could arrange a poll to ask users, what default languages are needed the most.

[Texta]

Don't think only about yourself and what you can do with a piece of software. Look how many people are asking for simple things. Simple for you, simple for me, but not that simple for them.

But it doens't simplify things for users who don't know how things work with GS. Because the need to change the gsconfig.php as well. And if you can do that, I think, you can copy another file in a different directory as well. It's a simple as that. (I think).

So maybe one should put a small hint, where to download the language file and where to copy it afterwards (just the path) in the gsconfig.php:

Code:

# WYSIWYG editor language (default en)
# 1. you have to download the CKeditor from http://ckeditor.com/download
# 2. unpack the 'ckeditor_###.zip' file
# 3. find the desired language file inside the 'lang' directory (e.g. 'lang/de.js' or 'lang/fr.js')
# 4. upload (or pre-copy) the language file to your GS installation: '\admin\template\js\ckeditor\lang'
# 5. change the following line to whatever language you just installed
#define('GSEDITORLANG', 'en');

[Joshas]

Translators could add CKEditor translations to GetSimple translation package, keeping the directory structure, and user would only have to extract archive to admin/ directory. Moving GSEDITORLANG setting to translation file would optimise those 5 steps into 1. Can't get more simple than that.

[yojoe]

Translators could add CKEditor translations to GetSimple translation package, keeping the directory structure, and user would only have to extract archive to admin/ directory. Moving GSEDITORLANG setting to translation file would optimise those 5 steps into 1. Can't get more simple than that.

Idea is good, but it still needs turning ckeditor's language on manually :/

[Connie]

Don't think only about yourself and what you can do with a piece of software. Look how many people are asking for simple things.

There is a really good CMS (with other target audience), also having SIMPLE in the name: CMSMadeSimple and it is not SIMPLE, when you report a bug or aks for a simpler functionality you very often get the answer there: It's not intended to be so simple...

as I see different audiences for these systems (I use and I digg both of them), I would suggest to stay simple with GetSimple ;=)

[Joshas]

If GSEDITORLANG variable will be set directly in translation file, there will be no need for turning ckeditors language manually.

[ccagle8]

Ok, so final answers:

1. We need to find a way to add GSEDITORLANG to the language file without breaking anyone who is using the gsconfig.php setting (which should be the final say - not the language file). (we can either fix this for 3.0 or leave it for 3.1... doesn't matter to me)
2. Lets add 4 or 5 CKEditor languages to the SVN to make it easy for the major languages. Right now, i think the list should be: Espanol, German, French, Polish, Italian, Russian, English.
3. Just as before, GS will not ship with any GS language files except en_US.php

Also: MikeH: I will look into that IE9 bug (i don't agree with yojoe that we shouldn't support it. IE9 is close enough to release that it's rendering isnt going to change much once it gets released). It is definitely something we need to take care of so let me know if there are any other IE9 things that aren't looking right. I can't install it here as I need to keep IE8 for work purposes. As for the filebrowser giving you a 404 - Cna you try the latest build and report back if you still have problems?

[mvlcek]

IE9 is close enough to release that it's rendering isnt going to change much once it gets released

IE9 is released:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/I...07542.html
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/inter...ts/ie/home

[mikeh]

I think you will find this useful.
http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage

Ok, so final answers:

1. We need to find a way to add GSEDITORLANG to the language file without breaking anyone who is using the gsconfig.php setting (which should be the final say - not the language file). (we can either fix this for 3.0 or leave it for 3.1... doesn't matter to me)
2. Lets add 4 or 5 CKEditor languages to the SVN to make it easy for the major languages. Right now, i think the list should be: Espanol, German, French, Polish, Italian, Russian, English.
3. Just as before, GS will not ship with any GS language files except en_US.php

Also: MikeH: I will look into that IE9 bug (i don't agree with yojoe that we shouldn't support it. IE9 is close enough to release that it's rendering isnt going to change much once it gets released). It is definitely something we need to take care of so let me know if there are any other IE9 things that aren't looking right. I can't install it here as I need to keep IE8 for work purposes. As for the filebrowser giving you a 404 - Cna you try the latest build and report back if you still have problems?

[yojoe]

Ok, so final answers:

1. We need to find a way to add GSEDITORLANG to the language file without breaking anyone who is using the gsconfig.php setting (which should be the final say - not the language file). (we can either fix this for 3.0 or leave it for 3.1... doesn't matter to me)
2. Lets add 4 or 5 CKEditor languages to the SVN to make it easy for the major languages. Right now, i think the list should be: Espanol, German, French, Polish, Italian, Russian, English.
3. Just as before, GS will not ship with any GS language files except en_US.php

Since English is a default language for CKeditor's and GS, I think that moving GSEDITORLANG var from gsconfig to translation file like Joshas proposed would be the best solution. Because this variable is only needed for different languages than default one.

Look how many people are asking for simple things.

There is a really good CMS (with other target audience), also having SIMPLE in the name: CMSMadeSimple and it is not SIMPLE, when you report a bug or aks for a simpler functionality you very often get the answer there: It's not intended to be so simple...

as I see different audiences for these systems (I use and I digg both of them), I would suggest to stay simple with GetSimple ;=)

I had on my mind that people using GS still ask how to do simple this in this CMS.
Not that they ask to implement something simple .... despite me

IE9 is close enough to release that it's rendering isnt going to change much once it gets released

IE9 is released:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/I...07542.html
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/inter...ts/ie/home

Ohhh my fault. Last time I looked at IE9 timeline it was supposed to be released in april.
But that doesn't change the rest thing I've said: this browser won't start to be downloaded until MS won't spread it through windows update.
Anyway the fix in admin panel isn't hard to do



edit
CC: tell ma what for is this translation var responsible:
"PERMS" => "Perms"
as I have no idea what's its context and how should I translate it.

[Connie]

CC: tell ma what for is this translation var responsible:
"PERMS" => "Perms"
as I have no idea what's its context and how should I translate it.

Could this mean abbreviation of "Permissions" ? This is my assumption

[Joshas]

It is header for column "Permissions", which is only displayed in debug mode on Files page and CKEditor filebowser.

[n00dles101]

Yes in Debug mode, it will show file owner and permissions. Its short for "permissions"

[datiswous]

2. Lets add 4 or 5 CKEditor languages to the SVN to make it easy for the major languages. Right now, i think the list should be: Espanol, German, French, Polish, Italian, Russian, English.

I don't think Polish is that major. I think it should be Portuguese

Yeah and Dutch off course

[ccagle8]

Ok, added a couple of languages back to the core. Hopefully this list will make everyone happy as I really don't want to add anymore. If someone feels strongly that a language needs added, state your case, and also which language you would remove from the SVN.

http://code.google.com/p/get-simple-cms/...tail?r=407

[krisu]

I least noticed one bug, when I was translating GS...

"Page Title" at edit.php doesn't translated, even if you have putted in the translation.

[Connie]

in 3.0 RC 398

the filemanager adds 2 Slashes after uploading files when you use the default tag for implementing the original image or the original link (thumbs integration does not):

Code:

<img src="http://www.somedomain.xx/somedirectory/data/uploads[b]//[/b]11-big.jpg" class="gs_image" alt="">

and what is wrong with the thumbnail-creation?

The link to HTML Thumbnails goes to

Code:

<img src="http://www.somedomain.xx/somedirector/data/thumbs/thumbnail.11-big.jpg" class="gs_image gs_thumb" alt="">

but in /thumbs, there is no thumbnail.11-big.jpg, just thumbsm.11-big.jpg

did I miss some settings?

[GetSimple2011]

I have a problem.

If i want to change the content on my IPad or IPhone it wont work. I can change name page but i can not change the content only if the "use html editor" is set off.

Is this à problem that can be solved in the 3.0 version?